I think that going out in service in order to hang out with a member of the opposite sex (as just a friend, or otherwise) is probably one of the better reasons to go that I have heard (or used - when I was your age. Must say I never tried to feel up the guys at the coffee shop, tho.' ) Carry on. Shoshana
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dammit life in confusion
by tsunami_rid3r ini'm confused, i feel hypocritical.
first let me get this clear, i'm not a religious person, but i believe someone or something started the big bang and chain of events that created our universe.
i believe in evolution.
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Other religious viewpoints about paradise
by TheListener inone thing i haven't been able to successfully find or understand is how other major religions feel about the end of the system or the final judgement from god.. i've seen the left behind series.
do protestants in general feel that there will be a literal earth with people on it?.
do catholics believe that human spirits will be united with their physical bodies after the final judgement?.
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Some branches of Judaism teach (that is not saying the practitioners believe it) of resurrection and a "paradise." There are fascinating parallels between ancient Judaism around the time of Jesus and WBTS teachings and practices, actually. (My personal opinion is that the WBTS is a Jewish apologist, apocalyptic cult, based on its early doctrines).
Shoshana
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35 Yrs ago today - We rocked!
by Amazing1914 indoes this sound like the jw organization you know today?
yes, on july 17th, 1970, my wife and i were baptized as jws at the "men of good will" district assembly (convention today), at the oakland, california coliseum - where the raiders play.
nearly 70,000 attended, and over 750 were baptized ... and it all made the news in the san francisco chronicle & examiner and other newspapers and radio stations.
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La Capra
Jim,
I was 2 and a half, and 99% likely at your baptismal assembly. I don't remember that assembly at all. Then the following one at Kezar Stadium I do remember. My hand got slammed in a very heavy door, and I had a badly injured finger for quite some time after that. I do remember being at Kezar in 71. Yeah-really early mornings and really late nights. I don't remember much, but I vividly remember that the lights at night made anything blue look purple.
Shoshana
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Putting an offer on a home........(law ?)
by love11 into make a long story short- last saturday, we put an offer down on a house.
then sunday and mon.
we did some research on mortgages and decided that we could get a better rate of interest if we waited till next spring to buy a home.
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And good old standard contract law says that there is no contract (therefore no duty on either party) until the valid offer is accepted.
And guess what, you can rescind the offer if want, then it is no longer valid. IT IS AN OFFER, NOT A CONTRACT!
However, it would appear that you have notice of their rejection of your offer, as evidenced by their "sold" advertising, which means you can conduct yourselves accordingly.
Until both sign parties sign a purchase agreement contract, neither side is bound by an offer. Usually, an offer in real estate begets a counter offer (which really is a rejection of the first offer and a new offer to you, which you may now accept or reject.)
A verbal offer in a real estate deal is only as valid as both sides want it to be. A purchase agreement contract for real estate absolutely must be in writing, or it is unenforceable.
Don't stress, if your offer was low, then at worst you will get a counteroffer which you are free to reject.
And besides, there are tons of contingencies in the purchase agreement contract through which one could wriggle with a buyer's agent, but again, you have not signed a purchase agreement, so chill.
Shoshana (who did well in both her Contracts class and her Real Properties class, but has put the information out of her mind as she concentrates on her last year in law school. And please do not consider the above information legal advice on what you should do. It isn't legal advice.)
P.S. If this really was the house for you, then you would be feeling stressed that they aren't going to accept your offer. That the revese is true is telling about the timing and this particular house. When it is the right time and the right house, you will go the extra mile to get it done.
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Excited about DC
by gringojj inmy wife is planning to go to the assembly this year.
shes still not sure about the whole jw thing, so from what i have read this dc should be helpful.
when she does go to meetings she just comes home and tells me all the crap they said that didnt make sense.
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I'm wondeirng if the Bethel Boys were sitting around in their plush, leather and mahogony club, in their overstuffed chairs, sipping 30 year old single malt scotch bemoaning how their minyons are no longer minyoning for them.
Then one of them strikes on the idea to make this convention about obedience. "Since they won't obey us, we will order them to obey us at next summer's convention..."
The irony: if they aren't obeying, what makes the Bethel Boys think that ordering them to obey will get them to obey?
At least in the US, this religion is now largely a mass of people who are insincere JWs, trying to do what they want while staying on just this side of the law. Now if everyone would jsut come clean, those who want to leave would still have plenty of family and friends in their lives...
Oh well.
Shoshana
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im stuck on guitar
by tsunami_rid3r inim trying to learn stairway to heaven but its too hard, what should i do?
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Are you learning it by ear, or from a chart?
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great night
by tsunami_rid3r inwow this is like a blog now.. .
sum it up.
late for a friends show.
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If she says she can't on Friday, then ask if she wants to do something else some other time, if she says yes, ask her when.
If she doesn't want to go out with you, she'll either say no, or you won't be able to pin her down. If that's the case, move on.
If you ask her out, then you should have some idea of what to do. (If all else fails, movie and coffee and dessert.)
And yeah, wait a few days between phone calls, there's no rush. It's not like you have a wedding to plan, or anything.
Shoshana
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My wifes struggle
by gringojj inhi friends.
well its seems my wife has hit a standstill with the dubs.
some of you may know my situation, but i guess its all relative anyway.
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But she is so scared that she may be wrong and what if she is?
This struck a chord with me. I was in a college seminar with about a dozen other students about a year and a half after I DA'ed. One of the other students had been raised in a similar way in LDS as I had been in WTBTS. In discussion of personal religious practices, she and I told similar difficult stories of how hard it was to make the personal decision to exit from what we considered to be mind control cults. Not to allowed to get away with rash generalizations about anything, we were equally challenged about why it was so hard when we had so much evidence of their mistakes, errors, etc.
Without looking at each other, we answered the same way, almost in unison, to the point that it was eerie, "What if we're wrong and they really are right?"
Hearing it from someone else who had been told the same thing by a group that taught a completely different doctrine (and followed by a hell of a lot more people, btw) helped me to see that my mindset-similar to your wife's-was easily debunked.
A chance meeting of my classmate a time later confirmed that she had similar reaction to our chorus.
So MANY religions say they really are the only path to salvation, and that not following THEM means sure destruction (hellfire, whatever.) Why would it be the JWs that would be right? Why them?
If we will really know them by their love, then no one would say to your wife,
she is not going to do the rest of the study unless my wife makes the meetings,
and if they really are right, they wouldn't say, (from Goldminer's post)if I didn't have the truth in my heart it didn't matter what they gave as answers,
when asked tough questions.
The JWs claim to prove themselves by being able to back all they believe from the Bible, but when asked to do so and held accountable for it, will run away.
The book Crisis of Conscience is good (I read it after I decided to leave). But If you wife was never baptized, and left home at 17, it is likely that there is a lot of missing "knowledge" about the religion in her personal memories. Is it possible she is responding to the feelings of urgency, fear of armageddon and the hope of everlasting life on earth and resurrection she remembers from her childhood, rather than concrete belief in what the book she and the JW woman finished? You probably could find dozens of misquoted or misrepresented scriptures just in the first chapter of that book -- just read five verses before and after each quoted scripture to see. This may help ease her fears about the doomsday prophecies of this cult.
Hang in there, your wife sounds sincere about doing the right thing, but also seems to be struggling with some deep rooted past history. Shoshana
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A Letter To Grocery Store Owners Nationwide.
by RichieRich indear mr. grocery store owner, .
in an ongoing effort to maintain a somewhat mutually beneficial relationship, i will agree to return shopping carts to their proper place, on the agreement that you will satisfy two of these requests: .
1. air condition the parking lot.
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La Capra
OK, I admit it, I'm lazy.
I hate grocery shopping. When I discovered that Safeway delivered (www.safeway.com), I jumped right on board so fast. They don't make me find a shopping cart, wander up and down the aisles finding things, they pick out better produce and meat than I ever can, they separate things very well when they bag them, they load up the car, they drive it home, and they bring it to my kitchen table. All for about ten bucks (6 pounds) extra. (Gas and time more than makes up for it.)
I went to the market in Maryland with my cousin once, they won't let you take the cart off the walk in front of the store. You have to leave your purchases then drive up to the front walk and load your car. I felt like such a hick when the cashier announced our cart number as we paid for our groceries. My cousin was surprised I had never seen cart control. Anyone in California ever see cart control here?
Shoshana
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Torture at DC
by zack ina thought worth mentioning about the venue i attended was the lack of sufficient sanitary facilties.
attendance on sunday was almost 10k.
of these, half were males.
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Elsewhere,
Sometimes there are long lines. But here's the thing, a game or a concert will last at most 4 or 5 hours. I try to plan ahead so that I only have to go once, if at all. But those conventions last all day, and there are lots and lots more children (who need to go every 2 hours or so), and more often than not, their mothers take them. Also, if you still go, check it out, there really are a lot more women at these conventions than men. For other events, particularly sporting events (which is often for what the facilities are predominantly designed), there is a different balance of the genders.
But out and about, like at restaurants, if there is a wait, it is only for the women's room. It is the worst at the symphony, or theater, where the intermission is only 15 minutes, there are only about a dozen toilets and about 25% of the women in attendance need to go.
What I remember is the awful smell at the conventions. I have been to these same venues many times for concerts or games and the restrooms never had that awful smell that was pervasive at conventions. Blech. Shoshana